... by: PeteTy
todays killer took me 40min was very challenging
the thing that broke it for me was the c8-c9 triple innie 11
http://www.sudokuwiki.org/killersudoku.htm?bd=122111122113322212122113311332122212313313332213212113212212443231331211331131233,250900260000001300000007001000002000000600200009000000190000001700000015001518001209000000150000210008040014000000000000080000000920130011150700000000000000001000
so i loaded it in the solver
r78 single innie
n9 single innie
row 1-4 has dual outie 16 for a 7 9 pair
the solver spotted all those
box1 has a dual outie of 2
i noticed that before the singles but,
the solver never did spot it .. solver found the 1 to the south with some magic multiple cage interactions and exotic hard cage combinations
after it found the 1 to the east in the 7(2) cage,
it took several solve steps before it discovered the 6
I dont consider that particular combination to be a tough one ...
did notice the solver has:
Innies (2 to 4 cells)
doesnt have:
outies (2 to 4 cells)
a little thought will confirm outies dont have the cage convention (no doubles) while innies do
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order of the steps the way i solve vs the solver
ill do cage splitting innies outies cage combinations way before hidden triples quads
way before y wings, colouring or pointing pairs
i really think the tough strategy on the killers shouldnt start before the normal sudoku tough strategy
perhaps move the blue ones (killer specific) to lower numbers
... by: PeteTy
there are a few caveats involved with multiple innies and outies
just look at the lack of the killer cage convention
a fun example (last above) gives N1+N2
an innie 36 or 90-(22+15+17)
a 9 cell pseudo-cage
it cant have 6 or 9 because they are required in the 22(3) and 17(3) cage
possibles
Digit Combinations - Can't Have Digits 69 Must Have Digits1234578
9 cell cage
36: 112345578* 122344578 123334578
Digits 1234578 Combinations 3
just look at the lack of the killer cage convention
n2 above sums to 14(4) outie
n8 has a 32(5) outie
both of these happen to have no repeated digits
r5 has an outie 14(3) very easy to spot
r1+r2+r3+r4+r5 has an outie 6(1) a single
which leaves an outie 8(2) for r5 to r9
its confined to row 4 and must have no repeated digits so 44 is not in the possibles
when i start getting stumped with a killer i may see n1 with a 2 cell outie
one goes east the other south
outie 4
2 cell cage
4: 13 22
Digits 123 Combinations 2
outie 10
Digit Combinations -
2 cell cage
10: 19 28 37 46 55
Digits 123456789 Combinations 5
outie 18
2 cell cage
18: 99
Digits 9
... by: DavidC
Thanks for a great site. In the pseudo-cage section of Innies and Outies, you say "D7 and E7 form a pseudo-cage of size 2 and a 'clue' of 5. That could be 1/4 or 2/5." There is a typo : it could be 1/4 or 2/3. Regards, David.
... by: MK
@akansha
So the concept of Innies and Outies is this: since any given row, column, or box of nine squares contains the digits 1-9, it must add up to 45 (1+2+3+...+9=45). Therefore, if you have a given set of cells that overlap said row/column/box, plus an extra square (an outie) or minus a square (an innie), you can calculate the value of that square.
Example: a row made up of the followings four cells (the numbers are the sums, underscores is a blank square:
[12 _] [12_] [12_][7_] [_]
[_ _ _][ _ _ _][_ _][_]
The last underscore is part of a two-square cell overlapping the row below. In this case, it's an Innie, because all the other cells are contained in this one row. So you add the sums of the cells: 12+12+12+7=43. You know that the total sum of the row must equal 45. So, 45-43=2 means that the square on the end by itself must be a 2.
It would work the same way for an Outie, except that the total sum of the cells would be greater than 45 and the empty square would be on a different row. (Example: total sum is 48. 48-45=3, so the 3 goes in the Outie square.)
Then you just expand this for multiple rows/columns/boxes. If the sum of one row is 45, then the sum of two rows is 90, the sum of three rows is 135, and so on.
I hope that this helps to clarify. I know that it's hard to visualize when I don't have proper pictures like above.
... by: akansha
Could not understand the concept of Innies and outies.
Can you be more elaborated/descriptive?
With example.
... by: Kaylea
I didn't know where to find this info then kboaom it was here.