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... by: ad.joe
Hello Andrew, this time a naming suggestion to differentiate between basic and advanced techniques:
"ONE DIMENSIONAL":
As can easy be seen in example 2 of the Hidden Pairs, it only deals with column 7!
So it's like this: Basic strategies deal with only on row, one column OR one box, therefore are working ONEDIMENSIONAL! While advanced techniques/strategies are working moredimensional: in more than one row AND column AND work.
And I've never read such a sentence "anywhere", what do YOU say? Besides a hidden subset is easier to be understood (for most people) as an x-wing, it can still hard to be found, becaus one has to look up the occurences (2 for instance) of the numbers in this one dimension.
... by: amarabavani@gmail.com
Fantastic page. Your explanations are simple and the working user-friendly. keep up the good work and good luck.
... by: adivandhya
i tried to download the website so that i can read it while im offline, nw it says i am a bot..wht should i do to get the access back?
Andrew Stuart writes: Sorry you got caught by my anti-hacking, bot-kicking scripts but I have to have some means of detecting non-humans. If I knew your IP address I'd be happy to unblock you. But you may not be able to read this message...
... by: Ritesh
Firstly , thanks 4 Sharing the site ... Give me more examples to understand hidden Quads
... by: Chuck Watson
Great site! I have learned to solve much harder puzzles by studying this site.
What I wanted to point out is your last example of a hidden quad actually also shows a naked quintuple. To me the naked quintuple is easier to see.
Andrew Stuart writes: If the puzzle is 9 by 9 then a quintuple will automatically be the mirror of a quad. Which is why we don't extend this series beyond 4. But i agree it is often possible to identify the mirror side of a set rather than the set itself.
... by: Joseph Badillo
Very nice site, very helpfull. Question regarding making a mistake: Your almost to the end and you find out that a 6 and a 9 does have been repeated. Are there short cuts you can take to find out where you made a mistake other than starting over?
... by: Walsh
Bill, From that example you can see that the 4 has to be part of the hidden triple since it has to be in one of those two squares. The three and one cannot be used because it has possiblilities in other places in that block. A Hidden triple will have a sequence of numbers that are in only three boxes in a row, column, or block.
... by: Bill
I am looking at the hidden triple example. Your results is 4/8/9; however, why can't the hidden triple be 1/8/9 or 1/3/9?
... by: David Harkness
Lloyd, this strategy allows you to eliminate the other numbers from the cells containing the hidden pair/triple/etc. It does not allow you to remove the numbers in the pair/triple from other cells.
The key is that the three numbers involved in the triple must occur in only three cells. In your example, 124 is not a triple because 2 is a possible in 5 cells. Each number must be a possible in at most 3 cells (2 for a hidden pair, 4 for a hidden quad, etc).
Naked Pairs is where you eliminate the numbers in the pair from other cells.
Andrew, the section on triples mentions "three pairs" of numbers, but often one of the cells will contain all three numbers. Is "pairs" here simply a copy/paste error from the section above, or does it have some other significance? I understand that sometimes the numbers appear in pairs in 3 cells, but that's not necessary.
Also, the first paragraph has an extra word: "hidden in in the squares".
... by: Lloyd Pape
Hi, I get confused. I have a row: 24,14,1245,257,2567,3,1267,8,9 ,..I would like to group cols 1,2 and 3 with a tripple, 24,14,124,delete the 5 in col 3,...then, delete the 2 incol4, the2 in col 5 and the 12 in col 7,..so that I end up with a tripple ,1,2,4, another tripple 5,6,7 and 3,8,9,...does this work,..if so , are the tripples naked or hidden,...thanks for your info to date,....regards,...lloyd
... by: Sarah
Hi Andrew, Great site. I'm terrible at spotting hidden triples. Any tips, hints on becoming better at this? Thanks! Sarah
... by: csvidyasagar
You have given an excellent example of Hidden Pairs, Hidden Triples and Hidden Quads. But the example you quoted of Mr Klaus Brenner of Hidden Quad, I suppose is NOT Correct. For hidden pairs, the digits must appear only in two cells like you correctly shown as 58 in your example. The digits 5, 8 do not appear in any other cell of the box. In Hidden Triples of digits 4, 8, 9 lie in only three cells and none of them appear in any other cell in the box. Similarly in Hidden Quads of your example, the digits 3,5,6,7 appear only in four cells in the Box and do not appear in any other cell of Column 8. But it is not so in the example cited of Mr Klaus Brenner. May be I am wrong or my understanindg of Hiddens is wrong. So can you explain how Hidden Quads are there in the example of which you have high lighted some cells.
Andrew Stuart writes: The Hidden Quad is {1,6,7,8} and exists only in those four cells. Therefore other canidates (yellow/red text) can be removed.
... by: robin smith
Hi, What a great site . it's so helpful when I really get stuck with a puzzle. One minor point . . would it not be possible to have the original numbers in the puzzle in a different colour so it is more easy to spot the ones that get added as the solution unfolds.
Just a thought.
But it's stil a great site.
Robin Smith
Andrew Stuart writes: Orginal colours (clues) are red, solved cells are blue. There may be the odd diagram which I have snapped where this is not the case and i'll be replacing when I spot those
... by: Chuck Bruno
Hello Andrew,
I have written several times but I must repeat "This is a great site". That being said, I have a question:
How do you determine what the difficulty level should be for a given stratagy?
I personally find that Pointing Pairs, Box/Line Reduction, X-Wing, and Unique Rectangles, are much easier to spot than Hidden Triples. When I get stumped on a Sudoku, I import it into your Solver, uncheck stratagies I don't usually look for, and step through it. In most cases, I find that I simply overlooked something silly. In some cases however, the Solver finds a hidden double or triple. Because these can't be turned off like the more difficult stratagies, I can't force the Solver around it to see if one of the other stratagies that I normally use, would allow the puzzle to be solved without using the naked double or triple.
In summary, I would like to be able to selectively turn off the "easier" stratagies just as can be done with the tougher ones.
Thanks for your time,
Chuck Bruno
Andrew Stuart writes: Sorry for the late reply. All valid points, I might have a go at that - but trying not to over complicate an already complex interface. |
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