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... by: Dr. Chris
It is possible to solve this puzzle using only pencil and paper through logical analysis and a process of elimination. Columns 1, 6, and 7 contain similar numbers: 2689, 1268, and 1269. They also each have empty cells in rows C, G, and H, and two of three cells empty in rows D, E, and F, with a 2 in the remaining cell in a different row in each column. This suggests that the placement of numbers in each of columns 1, 6, and 7 will help determine the positions of the numbers in the other two columns. The only 7 among the initial clues, and one of the only two 4s, are in row C. This limits the possibilities for C1, C6, and C7 and suggests that this row will unlock those columns. C1 must be 1, 3, or 5; C6 must be 3, 5, or 9; and C7 must be 3, 5 or 8. Since numbers cannot be duplicated in the row, there are only 13 possible combinations. Each combination provides enough material to work the puzzle forward to a falsity or a solution. I sensed intuitively that C7 could be 8, so I began with combinations in which C7=8, in ascending order: 1,3,8; 1,5,8; 1,9,8; 3,5,8 … and that fourth combination led to the solution.
... by: Serban
correction
Row C n=2 e=7 Nc=64 Ns=25 =>C3=1 C6=5 C9=2 basics to 39
X-chain x=1 =>H1<>1 x=4 =>[ GH1,DE3 ] <>4 x=5 =>[ F1,FJ4]<>5
=>F4=J3=4 D3=7 solve
Number 8 n=3 e=6 N=19 Nc=21 Ns=5 B3=C7=D8=E5 =G4=H8 =8 Basics to 37
1. X-chain x=7 =>[ J1,EF4,F5 ,GH6 ]<>7
2. XY-wing 479 [ D39,E8] =>E13 <.>7
3. W-wing 35 [J2,E3] =>D2<>3 =>D2=5 solve
... by: Serban
Row C n=2 e=7 Nc=64 Ns=25 =>C3=1 C6=5 C9=2 basics to 39
X-chain x=1 =>H1<>1 x=4 =>[ GH1,DE3 ] <>4 x=5 =>[ F1,FJ4]<>5
=>F4=J3=4 D6=7 solve
... by: solver_delta
625 178 943
948 326 157
371 945 862
257 619 384
463 587 291
189 432 576
792 863 415
516 294 738
834 751 629
works
... by: Frans Goosens
With trial and error
I have decided to calculate cell A3 and cell G9 all combinations
A3=123 G9=139
A3=1 G9=1 Wrong. Undo calculation
A3=1 G9=3 Wrong, Undo calculation
A3=1 G9=9 Wrong, Undo calculation
A3=2 G9=1 Solved,
#299
982 764 513
731 852 496
645 139 728
593 476 182
824 591 367
176 283 945
469 327 851
257 918 634
318 645 279
... by: SteveJ
Requires two guesses. No single guess is sufficient, or a single level of recursion would have solved it.
stevej@bsd84:~/sudoku % ./sudoku -f ./puzzles/un-1.txt -s 2 -r -D 1
*** ./puzzles/un-1.txt not solved, sane! Solution failed!
Iterations: 2. Changes: Rows 136, cols 99, squares 32, tot 267
dfs: cells 59 vals 264 rec 264 bt 264 ns 0 mrl 1
stevej@bsd84:~/sudoku %
stevej@bsd84:~/sudoku % ./sudoku -f ./puzzles/un-1.txt -s 2 -r -D 2
>>>>>> ./puzzles/un-1.txt solved, sane!
Iterations: 13. Changes: Rows 205, cols 180, squares 83, tot 468
dfs: cells 3417 vals 14418 rec 13819 bt 13818 ns 598 mrl 2
stevej@bsd84:~/sudoku %
... by: Frans Goosens
U.C means Undo calculation.
I have decided to calculate the cells C2 and G8
C2=4 G8=1 Wrong. U.C
C2=4 G8=2 Wrong, U.C
C2=4 G8=8 Wrong, U.C
C2=5 G8=1 Wrong, U.C
C2=5 G8=2 Solved,
#294
623 471 859
478 659 231
159 283 647
245 916 378
731 528 964
896 347 512
384 195 726
517 862 493
962 734 185
... by: Don
Simplest Unsolvable Sudoku
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Many variations possible.
Don
... by: RICHARD ALLAN
Even using logic,I had to make about ten 1/2 guesses and the puzzle still took me about 3 hours to solve,what a stinker.The 6x6 puzzle yesterday was easy compared to this one.Once you found all the 5s,the problem was solved.
... by: Duder Sud
Use 7 in A6 then use solver
... by: Sarah
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Sarah
... by: jjflip
dude, your slover blows! its WAYYYYY to complicted. i tried another solver and it worked pretty quick
... by: Solved? Or Not..
Is this right?
[6, 2, 5, 1, 7, 8, 9, 4, 3]
[9, 4, 8, 3, 2, 6, 1, 5, 7]
[3, 7, 1, 9, 4, 5, 8, 6, 2]
[2, 5, 7, 6, 1, 9, 3, 8, 4]
[4, 6, 3, 5, 8, 7, 2, 9, 1]
[1, 8, 9, 4, 3, 2, 5, 7, 6]
[7, 9, 2, 8, 6, 3, 4, 1, 5]
[5, 1, 6, 2, 9, 4, 7, 3, 8]
[8, 3, 4, 7, 5, 1, 6, 2, 9]
Thanks!
... by: JULIEN
ok I did this Sudoku but there is a mistake and it is why it is impossible, the 9 in b1 should be at c2 therefore 7 c2 should be at b1. here the solution without the misplacement of this 2 number:
652-138-947
734-296-158
198-745-326
247-619-583
561-483-279
389-572-461
923-864-715
416-957-832
875-321-694
this is the one and only solution, the person who did invent this Sudoku put an error to be impossible...
but now with this 2 number put back at their right place now it is possible ( see result above).
it took me 4 hours but I find it.
roncq@hotmail.co.uk
... by: saskjals
dadadssada
... by: newby
first finding all the 3 number sets, (3,5,8)C7 was most interesting as it offered the most paired sets using 8C7.
The using pairs (2,9)J8,J9; (1,8)H9,G8; (4,7)G7, H7
9J9, 8H9, 7H7 solves!!
... by: Enes
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... by: marcel hendrix
This one takes 0.061 ms to solve. That is not much, compared to 2.5 ms for Arto Inkala's idea, or some samples from sudoku17.txt (326 ms for line 527, 989 ms for line 6361).
-marcel
... by: samuel
6 2 5 1 7 8 9 4 3
9 4 8 3 2 6 1 5 7
3 7 1 9 4 5 8 6 2
2 5 7 6 1 9 3 8 4
4 6 3 5 8 7 2 9 1
1 8 9 4 3 2 5 7 6
7 9 2 8 6 3 4 1 5
5 1 6 2 9 4 7 3 8
8 3 4 7 5 1 6 2 9
is that right?
... by: Strmckr
Jean-Claude Casari: answered via email.
a question for andrew if he reads this:
how come your solver never upgraded to include the
als-xy rule:
instead you are using mike barkers
Deathblosom which is also an als-xy rule but limited in its effectiveness through restrictions in its initial design.
... by: Jean-Claude
Very nice picture, strmckr, I have to buy colour pens to get there !
In order to let better understand your method, could you draw the equivalent picture for unsolvable # 27.
Many thanks,
Jean-Claude Casari
casarijc@hotmail.fr
... by: strmckr
ronk: posted a great pic of the logic set.
http://i41.tinypic.com/16kqmvd.jpg
after the BI BI pattern it solve using singles, 3 locked pairs 3 locked candidates and 1 skyscraper
I'm thinking the remote pairs is a bit excessive :P
... by: JC Van Hay
Typo in previous post (C1 -> C3). Thus :
2 very simple steps to solve the puzzle :
#1. Exocet pattern : see ttt's post in http://www.sudoku.org.uk/SudokuThread.asp?fid=4&sid=11320&p1=1&p2=17.
#2. Remote pairs : RP(35)C3B5 => +7r1c5; stte.
... by: JC Van Hay
2 very simple steps to solve the puzzle :
#1. Exocet pattern : see ttt's post in http://www.sudoku.org.uk/SudokuThread.asp?fid=4&sid=11320&p1=1&p2=17.
#2. Remote pairs : RP(35)C1B5 => +7r1c5; stte.
... by: Jean-Claude
I have no logical solution: there no bi-value cell.
Help !
... by: Nick the Geek
Wow! Immediate "Rooks!" (Run Out Of Known Strategies)! I'll give it a go today.
